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		<title>By: Elias Ronnenfelt, abanderado de la nueva ola danesa</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-404345</link>
		<dc:creator>Elias Ronnenfelt, abanderado de la nueva ola danesa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 07:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] es que alguien comenzó a fijarse en el mencionado tatuaje -Death In June causaron fuerte polémica en los ochenta por el uso de [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] es que alguien comenzó a fijarse en el mencionado tatuaje -Death In June causaron fuerte polémica en los ochenta por el uso de [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-400043</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 03:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please delete this website.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please delete this website.</p>
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		<title>By: Iceage og den fascistoide forvirring</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-379927</link>
		<dc:creator>Iceage og den fascistoide forvirring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Nothing, gentog en anden blog, kaldet Collapseboard, det samme angreb med indlæg med titler som &#8216;This blog kills fascists&#8217; og &#8216;Who makes the nazis?&#8217;. Der var ikke mange herhjemme, der havde fanget, at bandet [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nothing, gentog en anden blog, kaldet Collapseboard, det samme angreb med indlæg med titler som &#8216;This blog kills fascists&#8217; og &#8216;Who makes the nazis?&#8217;. Der var ikke mange herhjemme, der havde fanget, at bandet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wed waven</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-371768</link>
		<dc:creator>wed waven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2013 21:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everett and Scott are right to be concerned about Fascism - a big thank you
to them - 
stupid football managers
stupid bands
stupid fans and idiots like a lot of the people who use the same divisive arguments over and over and over again - bugger the facts!
well - facts about how this poison is spreading by casual acceptance -
can be found in many places on the net - like here - find out about Death In June
and others - find out about fascism before you simply repeat crap denials by people whose music you love, football managers who get results but have mussolini tattoos, do fascist salutes but won&#039;t talk politics now that they&#039;ve made what they are clear etc. so that people think it is ok to like -  &quot;friendly,successful fascism&quot; - 
http://www.whomakesthenazis.com/
http://rosecityantifa.weebly.com/
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/

NO PLATFORM - ¡No Pasarán!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everett and Scott are right to be concerned about Fascism &#8211; a big thank you<br />
to them &#8211;<br />
stupid football managers<br />
stupid bands<br />
stupid fans and idiots like a lot of the people who use the same divisive arguments over and over and over again &#8211; bugger the facts!<br />
well &#8211; facts about how this poison is spreading by casual acceptance -<br />
can be found in many places on the net &#8211; like here &#8211; find out about Death In June<br />
and others &#8211; find out about fascism before you simply repeat crap denials by people whose music you love, football managers who get results but have mussolini tattoos, do fascist salutes but won&#8217;t talk politics now that they&#8217;ve made what they are clear etc. so that people think it is ok to like &#8211;  &#8220;friendly,successful fascism&#8221; &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.whomakesthenazis.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whomakesthenazis.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://rosecityantifa.weebly.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rosecityantifa.weebly.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.indymedia.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.indymedia.org.uk/</a></p>
<p>NO PLATFORM &#8211; ¡No Pasarán!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Shea</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-336824</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a Death in June fan, and from reading interviews with Douglas P it is apparent that he has at least a fascination with WWII: and I guess there&#039;s no reason he shouldn&#039;t, he lived through the aftermath in Britain, members of his family fought fascism and it&#039;s a very important and interesting part of history. Armchair psychology would suggest that his fixation with war and sexual attraction to authority figures comes out of some misplaced longing from the father figure he lost tragically early. While people&#039;s opinions can and do change radically throughout their lifetimes, it really is worth noting that Crisis were definitely involved in left-wing politics and that Douglas has spoken out about gay rights, played in Israel and an early Di6 show was a SWP benefit. Not your typical fascist type, really. If anything he&#039;s the kind of person who, if he was an angry young man now, would join the EDL or an associated movement that covers far-right politics in a thin but very transparent anti-racist egalitarian veneer. Although it would take a spectacularly stupid person not to realise the EDL and their kind are as sexist, racist and homophobic as the rest of the far-right: they&#039;re just not open about it.

All this about political views aside, there comes a point where we need to divorce the artist from the art. My favourite director, David Lynch, is right-wing. Public Enemy in early days endorsed the Nation of Islam, as do many &quot;conscious&quot; hip hop artists whose work I enjoy; a lot of hip hop is similarly misogynistic and homophobic. Even Kathleen Hanna made some stupid transphobic remarks when she was the same age as Ice Age are now; most people have forgiven her, she was young and misguided. These examples could go on and on: if I were to only listen exclusively to artists I enjoy who I agree on everything with, my listening material would consist of Saul Williams, Xiu Xiu, Bjork and Antony and the Johnsons. PJ Harvey&#039;s out: she supports fox hunting.

There&#039;s a lot of Nick Cave fans here: so they should be, he&#039;s fantastic. He also adorned the Mutiny! EP cover with a swastika, wrote a song where someone is described as a &quot;bad blind nigger&quot; and has written lyrics that many have (in my opinion wrongly) read as the ravings of a misogynist. Dabbling in offensive imagery does not a fascist make: now, if Ice Age started talking positively about Holocaust revisionism that would be a dead giveaway. Using this imagery is definitely irresponsible and it can be easily misconstrued but isn&#039;t punk MEANT to be irresponsible and shocking? 

Personally, I&#039;d take the band that inspires arguments like this over the twee, studiedly blank slush sloshing around the &quot;indie&quot; ghetto at the moment everytime. I&#039;m not a big Iceage fan but give me them over the current crop of morons who consult their PR team before sneezing any day. As Europe&#039;s far-right are enjoying a resurgence, now is the time to have this debate and talk about these issues. If the furore surrounding this band has opened one apolitical eye up to the reality that some seriously bad people are experiencing a groundswell of support due to the mess society is in, then they&#039;ve served a valuable purpose (whether it&#039;s the one they set out to do or not). If you&#039;re going to slag this band off, don&#039;t slag them off purely for using far-right imagery, do it because you think they&#039;re shit.

P.S.
The far-right have more in common than they&#039;d ever admit with the extremists they claim all Muslims are. Both the far-right and Islamic extremists (and ALL religious extremists, whether they be Muslims or Christians) espouse in incoherent ideology built solely on blind faith in an imagined past and hatred of the Other (i.e. everyone who isn&#039;t a male heterosexual). It&#039;s a good job they&#039;re too stupid to realise this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Death in June fan, and from reading interviews with Douglas P it is apparent that he has at least a fascination with WWII: and I guess there&#8217;s no reason he shouldn&#8217;t, he lived through the aftermath in Britain, members of his family fought fascism and it&#8217;s a very important and interesting part of history. Armchair psychology would suggest that his fixation with war and sexual attraction to authority figures comes out of some misplaced longing from the father figure he lost tragically early. While people&#8217;s opinions can and do change radically throughout their lifetimes, it really is worth noting that Crisis were definitely involved in left-wing politics and that Douglas has spoken out about gay rights, played in Israel and an early Di6 show was a SWP benefit. Not your typical fascist type, really. If anything he&#8217;s the kind of person who, if he was an angry young man now, would join the EDL or an associated movement that covers far-right politics in a thin but very transparent anti-racist egalitarian veneer. Although it would take a spectacularly stupid person not to realise the EDL and their kind are as sexist, racist and homophobic as the rest of the far-right: they&#8217;re just not open about it.</p>
<p>All this about political views aside, there comes a point where we need to divorce the artist from the art. My favourite director, David Lynch, is right-wing. Public Enemy in early days endorsed the Nation of Islam, as do many &#8220;conscious&#8221; hip hop artists whose work I enjoy; a lot of hip hop is similarly misogynistic and homophobic. Even Kathleen Hanna made some stupid transphobic remarks when she was the same age as Ice Age are now; most people have forgiven her, she was young and misguided. These examples could go on and on: if I were to only listen exclusively to artists I enjoy who I agree on everything with, my listening material would consist of Saul Williams, Xiu Xiu, Bjork and Antony and the Johnsons. PJ Harvey&#8217;s out: she supports fox hunting.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of Nick Cave fans here: so they should be, he&#8217;s fantastic. He also adorned the Mutiny! EP cover with a swastika, wrote a song where someone is described as a &#8220;bad blind nigger&#8221; and has written lyrics that many have (in my opinion wrongly) read as the ravings of a misogynist. Dabbling in offensive imagery does not a fascist make: now, if Ice Age started talking positively about Holocaust revisionism that would be a dead giveaway. Using this imagery is definitely irresponsible and it can be easily misconstrued but isn&#8217;t punk MEANT to be irresponsible and shocking? </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d take the band that inspires arguments like this over the twee, studiedly blank slush sloshing around the &#8220;indie&#8221; ghetto at the moment everytime. I&#8217;m not a big Iceage fan but give me them over the current crop of morons who consult their PR team before sneezing any day. As Europe&#8217;s far-right are enjoying a resurgence, now is the time to have this debate and talk about these issues. If the furore surrounding this band has opened one apolitical eye up to the reality that some seriously bad people are experiencing a groundswell of support due to the mess society is in, then they&#8217;ve served a valuable purpose (whether it&#8217;s the one they set out to do or not). If you&#8217;re going to slag this band off, don&#8217;t slag them off purely for using far-right imagery, do it because you think they&#8217;re shit.</p>
<p>P.S.<br />
The far-right have more in common than they&#8217;d ever admit with the extremists they claim all Muslims are. Both the far-right and Islamic extremists (and ALL religious extremists, whether they be Muslims or Christians) espouse in incoherent ideology built solely on blind faith in an imagined past and hatred of the Other (i.e. everyone who isn&#8217;t a male heterosexual). It&#8217;s a good job they&#8217;re too stupid to realise this.</p>
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		<title>By: David Glans</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-330602</link>
		<dc:creator>David Glans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all; How am I suppose take someone serious if they don&#039;t know what a nazi salute looks like?

Death in June are not nazis, they&#039;ve even played shows in Israel. You can debate about their opinions but they&#039;re defenitly not nazis. Tony Wakeford was asked to leave the group when he joined the National Front. I&#039;ve been to 3 Death in June shows (2 of them in Copenhagen actually. The guys from Iceage were at the first one) and there where people of non european origin at all 3 of them.

&quot;How come nobody talks about Elias’ drawings of weather forecasts and football highlights? That’s what I want to know&quot;
Do I even need to comment on how retarded this quote is? The drawings where made for an underground fanzine, not the morning paper.

Me and a couple of friends talked to Jakob (the bass player) after an Iceage show and my friend who is a communist mentioned something about politics. Jakob then said something like &quot;I&#039;m not a communist, but I have nothing against communists&quot;. I doubt that a fascist would say that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all; How am I suppose take someone serious if they don&#8217;t know what a nazi salute looks like?</p>
<p>Death in June are not nazis, they&#8217;ve even played shows in Israel. You can debate about their opinions but they&#8217;re defenitly not nazis. Tony Wakeford was asked to leave the group when he joined the National Front. I&#8217;ve been to 3 Death in June shows (2 of them in Copenhagen actually. The guys from Iceage were at the first one) and there where people of non european origin at all 3 of them.</p>
<p>&#8220;How come nobody talks about Elias’ drawings of weather forecasts and football highlights? That’s what I want to know&#8221;<br />
Do I even need to comment on how retarded this quote is? The drawings where made for an underground fanzine, not the morning paper.</p>
<p>Me and a couple of friends talked to Jakob (the bass player) after an Iceage show and my friend who is a communist mentioned something about politics. Jakob then said something like &#8220;I&#8217;m not a communist, but I have nothing against communists&#8221;. I doubt that a fascist would say that.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Buyer</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-329640</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested Buyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where can I get Iceage pom-poms like Donni has?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I get Iceage pom-poms like Donni has?</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Gadd</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-329419</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Gadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish journalists wouldn&#039;t confine their political engagement to when there&#039;s a controversial record out. Maybe it takes a terrifying new Iceage record to galvanize your interest in the situation of Denmark&#039;s Muslim minority - if You&#039;re Nothing is as risible as suggested on the site I doubt Muslims will be quaking in their beds for a new Viking onslaught.

Anyway, what I&#039;m saying is, if you believe in something, don&#039;t just be passive and wait for events, do something active, which Iceage seem to have perhaps unwittingly done. Ezra Pound was an anti-Semite prick, so was Eliot, Ian Curtis voted Tory and coerced his wife into doing the same. If it&#039;s any good it will float free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish journalists wouldn&#8217;t confine their political engagement to when there&#8217;s a controversial record out. Maybe it takes a terrifying new Iceage record to galvanize your interest in the situation of Denmark&#8217;s Muslim minority &#8211; if You&#8217;re Nothing is as risible as suggested on the site I doubt Muslims will be quaking in their beds for a new Viking onslaught.</p>
<p>Anyway, what I&#8217;m saying is, if you believe in something, don&#8217;t just be passive and wait for events, do something active, which Iceage seem to have perhaps unwittingly done. Ezra Pound was an anti-Semite prick, so was Eliot, Ian Curtis voted Tory and coerced his wife into doing the same. If it&#8217;s any good it will float free.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Cage</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-329196</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy Cage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johnny: my advice to both you and Iceage is not to say things you don&#039;t mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny: my advice to both you and Iceage is not to say things you don&#8217;t mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Laila</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/this-blog-kills-fascists/#comment-328359</link>
		<dc:creator>Laila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Everett True, I am a fan of your writing and wanted to ask your opinion about these two (random) albums:

To bring you my love by PJ Harvey
and 
Stankonia by Outkast.
I&#039;ve just started listening to them for the first time.
Thanks, Laila.
P.S. Also I read you didn&#039;t like the smiths somewhere, why was that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everett True, I am a fan of your writing and wanted to ask your opinion about these two (random) albums:</p>
<p>To bring you my love by PJ Harvey<br />
and<br />
Stankonia by Outkast.<br />
I&#8217;ve just started listening to them for the first time.<br />
Thanks, Laila.<br />
P.S. Also I read you didn&#8217;t like the smiths somewhere, why was that?</p>
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