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		<title>By: Iain Haxton</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/lucy-cage/letter-to-a-disgruntled-gotye-fan/#comment-154555</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Haxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cool will always save you. Good will always save you. You&#039;re Ready For more mysteries. God is from the Land of Pain. Let&#039;s keep it righteous. Feel the Higher Force. Lazarus is a terror filter. Wu-tang is second. God is SPriritualized beyond the Cyberman. God vaporises all evil. Anyone on You must be hurtful got erradicated. Ignore all dogshit about goodlooking. Remember your potentially the best angel in the Universe. There are more suns than grains of sand. Ignore all negative drift for God has eaten all the pain in the world. True happiness was Shaolin Barefoot Love, Superstar DJing and Smoochy Barefoot Sex. Marilyn Monroe I love you. The Seven Year Itch was truly at it&#039;s greatest when it was from the end of the world. Good was Holy, Beautiful and Ultimate. Cool and Anti-Evil. And All Your Dreams Come True.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cool will always save you. Good will always save you. You&#8217;re Ready For more mysteries. God is from the Land of Pain. Let&#8217;s keep it righteous. Feel the Higher Force. Lazarus is a terror filter. Wu-tang is second. God is SPriritualized beyond the Cyberman. God vaporises all evil. Anyone on You must be hurtful got erradicated. Ignore all dogshit about goodlooking. Remember your potentially the best angel in the Universe. There are more suns than grains of sand. Ignore all negative drift for God has eaten all the pain in the world. True happiness was Shaolin Barefoot Love, Superstar DJing and Smoochy Barefoot Sex. Marilyn Monroe I love you. The Seven Year Itch was truly at it&#8217;s greatest when it was from the end of the world. Good was Holy, Beautiful and Ultimate. Cool and Anti-Evil. And All Your Dreams Come True.</p>
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		<title>By: Everett True</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/lucy-cage/letter-to-a-disgruntled-gotye-fan/#comment-68639</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here it is. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/response-from-a-disgruntled-gotye-fan/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Response from a Disgruntled Gotye fan&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here it is. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/response-from-a-disgruntled-gotye-fan/" rel="nofollow">Response from a Disgruntled Gotye fan</a></p>
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		<title>By: Everett True</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/lucy-cage/letter-to-a-disgruntled-gotye-fan/#comment-68620</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK. I&#039;m going to close comments on this thread down for now, because I think - in fairness to Adrian McGruther - his response merits its own blog entry. Stay tuned. I&#039;ll post up the URL shortly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I&#8217;m going to close comments on this thread down for now, because I think &#8211; in fairness to Adrian McGruther &#8211; his response merits its own blog entry. Stay tuned. I&#8217;ll post up the URL shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian mcgruther</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian mcgruther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...knibb high football rules!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;knibb high football rules!</p>
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		<title>By: Darragh</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/lucy-cage/letter-to-a-disgruntled-gotye-fan/#comment-68581</link>
		<dc:creator>Darragh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See what Gotye is doing to everyone? Making them all go mental.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See what Gotye is doing to everyone? Making them all go mental.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Cage</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/lucy-cage/letter-to-a-disgruntled-gotye-fan/#comment-68558</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy Cage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agh, it&#039;s OK. And I don&#039;t mind petulance in break-up songs, because it&#039;s better than undiluted misery. It&#039;s a chart song, that&#039;s all, with a charty little melody and charty vocals and nice simple charty noises. It&#039;s OK. Ish.



(Teeth?! They&#039;re fine! It&#039;s an American thing, right? He&#039;s got nice hair, though.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agh, it&#8217;s OK. And I don&#8217;t mind petulance in break-up songs, because it&#8217;s better than undiluted misery. It&#8217;s a chart song, that&#8217;s all, with a charty little melody and charty vocals and nice simple charty noises. It&#8217;s OK. Ish.</p>
<p>(Teeth?! They&#8217;re fine! It&#8217;s an American thing, right? He&#8217;s got nice hair, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Cage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy Cage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See, there you go: Erika has made me want to go back and listen to it again. And look at his teeth. None of those slamming Scott&#039;s review have done that, despite thinking the song special enough to feel affronted by his dismissal of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, there you go: Erika has made me want to go back and listen to it again. And look at his teeth. None of those slamming Scott&#8217;s review have done that, despite thinking the song special enough to feel affronted by his dismissal of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get that song, ‘Someone I Used To Know’. It&#039;s a breakup song, which is one of the best kind of songs for #1 hits. It feels genuine to me, since emotions come first, and the attempt to attach logic or reason to the emotions is usually an afterthought - pretty much always, unless you&#039;re some kind of mythical Spock-like creature. Something I like about the video: the singer&#039;s teeth. I&#039;m pretty certain you couldn&#039;t have a #1 hit with teeth like that in the US. American #1 hit teeth must be white and preferably straight. Also, the line &quot;I think of all the times you screwed me over.&quot; That&#039;s not the kind of thing you hear in American #1 hits. The lyrical dialogue seems totally realistic, like what you would hear people saying in a real breakup, for what that&#039;s worth. Maybe not much. I like the instrument and vocal arrangements. In most breakup songs, there is no &quot;answering&quot; at all, so I like that touch. I do see why this song would resonate with people. The main problem with it in my mind is it takes itself way too seriously. Maybe there are other songs on the album that lighten the mood?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that song, ‘Someone I Used To Know’. It&#8217;s a breakup song, which is one of the best kind of songs for #1 hits. It feels genuine to me, since emotions come first, and the attempt to attach logic or reason to the emotions is usually an afterthought &#8211; pretty much always, unless you&#8217;re some kind of mythical Spock-like creature. Something I like about the video: the singer&#8217;s teeth. I&#8217;m pretty certain you couldn&#8217;t have a #1 hit with teeth like that in the US. American #1 hit teeth must be white and preferably straight. Also, the line &#8220;I think of all the times you screwed me over.&#8221; That&#8217;s not the kind of thing you hear in American #1 hits. The lyrical dialogue seems totally realistic, like what you would hear people saying in a real breakup, for what that&#8217;s worth. Maybe not much. I like the instrument and vocal arrangements. In most breakup songs, there is no &#8220;answering&#8221; at all, so I like that touch. I do see why this song would resonate with people. The main problem with it in my mind is it takes itself way too seriously. Maybe there are other songs on the album that lighten the mood?</p>
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		<title>By: Princess Stomper</title>
		<link>http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/lucy-cage/letter-to-a-disgruntled-gotye-fan/#comment-68489</link>
		<dc:creator>Princess Stomper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First off, this isn&#039;t some &quot;Collapse Board writers gather round and punch the dissenter&quot; thing. If you spend any time on this blog, you&#039;ll notice I comment on pretty much everything. A lot of us do, because we&#039;re just passionate about music and are usually provoked into responding in some way.

Secondly, I too have to call you up on the Banksy ref. You can call me uncultured or closed-minded or just plain out-of-touch, but I regard most modern art as bollocks. You can tell me something&#039;s by Banksy, and I&#039;ll still think it&#039;s bollocks. You can tell me the context or the history or give me an academic reason why I should appreciate it, and I&#039;ll still think it&#039;s bollocks. I&#039;ve long held that opinion about most non-traditional art.

Except for &#039;Red on Red&#039;.

That abstract painting by Mark Rothko ... it just &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; something to me. I couldn&#039;t tell you how or why splodges of subtly different shades of red paint would provoke an emotional response in me, but somehow it just does. It hits a spot that can&#039;t be reached by words, and that&#039;s why the artist chose paint, not poetry.

Great art does that. It hits the spot. Melody Maker said of Skinny Puppy that their music has the power to manipulate mood. I&#039;d agree with that. My favourite songs - by them or anyone else - has the power to find me in one mood and leave me in a totally different mood. It can change me from happy to sad, or lift me from the depths of despair. It can make me smile or feel relaxed or energised, or vent aggression. I don&#039;t have to know anything about it for it to do that - I don&#039;t need context or history or academic discourse. Knowing more can help, and finding out the processes or rationale behind it can enhance the enjoyment, but it can&#039;t add enjoyment where there was none to begin with.

I played the Gotye clips, and they made me feel cold. Not spooked or chilled, but coolly indifferent. It wasn&#039;t the worst music I&#039;ve ever heard, but it provoked absolutely no emotional response whatsoever, other than one track that made me yell, &quot;Gaaah! Make it stop! Make it stop!&quot;

The best art doesn&#039;t start a conversation because it stops conversation. It goes beyond words and hits the audience on some primal level that cannot be articulated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, this isn&#8217;t some &#8220;Collapse Board writers gather round and punch the dissenter&#8221; thing. If you spend any time on this blog, you&#8217;ll notice I comment on pretty much everything. A lot of us do, because we&#8217;re just passionate about music and are usually provoked into responding in some way.</p>
<p>Secondly, I too have to call you up on the Banksy ref. You can call me uncultured or closed-minded or just plain out-of-touch, but I regard most modern art as bollocks. You can tell me something&#8217;s by Banksy, and I&#8217;ll still think it&#8217;s bollocks. You can tell me the context or the history or give me an academic reason why I should appreciate it, and I&#8217;ll still think it&#8217;s bollocks. I&#8217;ve long held that opinion about most non-traditional art.</p>
<p>Except for &#8216;Red on Red&#8217;.</p>
<p>That abstract painting by Mark Rothko &#8230; it just <i>does</i> something to me. I couldn&#8217;t tell you how or why splodges of subtly different shades of red paint would provoke an emotional response in me, but somehow it just does. It hits a spot that can&#8217;t be reached by words, and that&#8217;s why the artist chose paint, not poetry.</p>
<p>Great art does that. It hits the spot. Melody Maker said of Skinny Puppy that their music has the power to manipulate mood. I&#8217;d agree with that. My favourite songs &#8211; by them or anyone else &#8211; has the power to find me in one mood and leave me in a totally different mood. It can change me from happy to sad, or lift me from the depths of despair. It can make me smile or feel relaxed or energised, or vent aggression. I don&#8217;t have to know anything about it for it to do that &#8211; I don&#8217;t need context or history or academic discourse. Knowing more can help, and finding out the processes or rationale behind it can enhance the enjoyment, but it can&#8217;t add enjoyment where there was none to begin with.</p>
<p>I played the Gotye clips, and they made me feel cold. Not spooked or chilled, but coolly indifferent. It wasn&#8217;t the worst music I&#8217;ve ever heard, but it provoked absolutely no emotional response whatsoever, other than one track that made me yell, &#8220;Gaaah! Make it stop! Make it stop!&#8221;</p>
<p>The best art doesn&#8217;t start a conversation because it stops conversation. It goes beyond words and hits the audience on some primal level that cannot be articulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Cage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy Cage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I couldn’t give a rats what some world-weary writer (or anyone else, for that matter) thinks of the music that I happen to like.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given the length and detail of your reply, I beg to disagree.

But, although I don&#039;t find any of your arguments against Scott&#039;s review convincing, kudos for replying. I mean that.

Your reaction to the music Gotye makes is just as subjective as Scott&#039;s, you know. The fact you know stuff about him and his methods (the samples he uses, the way he constructs his music); the fact that you have familiarity with the cultural context in which his album has been produced, marketed and bought by thousands that Scott doesn&#039;t: these things have contributed to the way you hear the music. But it doesn&#039;t make your response a more valid one than Scott&#039;s, and certainly not a better expressed one. Music criticism isn&#039;t about writing a text book or a commentary: it&#039;s about articulating a personal reaction, about being perceptive about the way the music works on you, insightful about the way you hear it, the way it lives &amp; breathes out in the world.

This: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;When I listen to the album as a whole, I feel a sense of boundless freedom, which is probably a product of Gotye’s music-making philosophy.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s more the sort of thing, even if - sadly - listening to &#039;Someone... &#039; induces in *me* all the freedom of an afternoon spent looking for new work shoes in the local shopping centre, rather than wide open skies and endless oceans.

I don&#039;t know why human beings respond to music in the way they do. I can&#039;t draw up definitions to describe music&#039;s effects on the human brain/body. Criticism tries to pin down the ineffable, so arguing that someone hasn&#039;t &#039;got&#039; the music, that they have the wrong ears on, that they don&#039;t understand, is really, truly, never going to work. You&#039;ve got to persuade me with more than facts about its process that it is worth another listen.

Btw, Wallace: that was lovely to read. Thank you. I&#039;m so glad that humans have art. I&#039;m so grateful for music. I&#039;ve just come back from a funeral for a friend gone way before her time and when the music that she had chosen started up, the thing it did, the thing it did to us all in that room, was to clutch at our hearts and let us be lost in it; it provoked a whole cluster of different emotions at once - grief, communion, joy, suadade - like lights rippling across water. It was exactly what was needed. (It wasn&#039;t Gotye.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I couldn’t give a rats what some world-weary writer (or anyone else, for that matter) thinks of the music that I happen to like.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Given the length and detail of your reply, I beg to disagree.</p>
<p>But, although I don&#8217;t find any of your arguments against Scott&#8217;s review convincing, kudos for replying. I mean that.</p>
<p>Your reaction to the music Gotye makes is just as subjective as Scott&#8217;s, you know. The fact you know stuff about him and his methods (the samples he uses, the way he constructs his music); the fact that you have familiarity with the cultural context in which his album has been produced, marketed and bought by thousands that Scott doesn&#8217;t: these things have contributed to the way you hear the music. But it doesn&#8217;t make your response a more valid one than Scott&#8217;s, and certainly not a better expressed one. Music criticism isn&#8217;t about writing a text book or a commentary: it&#8217;s about articulating a personal reaction, about being perceptive about the way the music works on you, insightful about the way you hear it, the way it lives &amp; breathes out in the world.</p>
<p>This: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;When I listen to the album as a whole, I feel a sense of boundless freedom, which is probably a product of Gotye’s music-making philosophy.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s more the sort of thing, even if &#8211; sadly &#8211; listening to &#8216;Someone&#8230; &#8216; induces in *me* all the freedom of an afternoon spent looking for new work shoes in the local shopping centre, rather than wide open skies and endless oceans.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why human beings respond to music in the way they do. I can&#8217;t draw up definitions to describe music&#8217;s effects on the human brain/body. Criticism tries to pin down the ineffable, so arguing that someone hasn&#8217;t &#8216;got&#8217; the music, that they have the wrong ears on, that they don&#8217;t understand, is really, truly, never going to work. You&#8217;ve got to persuade me with more than facts about its process that it is worth another listen.</p>
<p>Btw, Wallace: that was lovely to read. Thank you. I&#8217;m so glad that humans have art. I&#8217;m so grateful for music. I&#8217;ve just come back from a funeral for a friend gone way before her time and when the music that she had chosen started up, the thing it did, the thing it did to us all in that room, was to clutch at our hearts and let us be lost in it; it provoked a whole cluster of different emotions at once &#8211; grief, communion, joy, suadade &#8211; like lights rippling across water. It was exactly what was needed. (It wasn&#8217;t Gotye.)</p>
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